5513 MilSub in vendita......

[jatucka]

.......  di nuovo in vendita.


(courtesy M.Wood/mwr forum)

cheers.

[Cortez.Ramon]

.......  di nuovo in vendita.


(courtesy M.Wood/mwr forum)

cheers.

Gli è ritornato? 

[marcello pisani]

non per difendere il mio amico di Liverpool ( che sa benissimo difendersi da solo ) ma non vedo il problema.........
può darsi che il compratore si sia tirato indietro e quindi MW abbia
deciso di rimetterlo in vendita, provando a postarlo su altro sito..........
oltretutto mi sembra che Mike sia stato molto chiaro :
--orologio con fondello assegnato , confermato da Bexley , quadrante
con ristampa militare ( che ripeto ha un certo fascino in UK ).......
+ chiaro di così....
fra l'altro MW è molto conosciuto ( al di fuori dell'Italia  ),
per cui se dice una cosa tutti si fidano dei suoi "statements" e di quello
che propone...... non è mica l'ultimo pirla sceso dalla pianta che posta
accrocchi ( magari sulla baia.... )

[jatucka]

fra l'altro MW è molto conosciuto ( al di fuori dell'Italia  ),
per cui se dice una cosa tutti si fidano dei suoi "statements" e di quello
che propone...... non è mica l'ultimo pirla sceso dalla pianta che posta
accrocchi ( magari sulla baia.... )

.....  su questo non posso che quotare 

cheers.

[marcello pisani]

fra l'altro MW è molto conosciuto ( al di fuori dell'Italia  ),
per cui se dice una cosa tutti si fidano dei suoi "statements" e di quello
che propone...... non è mica l'ultimo pirla sceso dalla pianta che posta
accrocchi ( magari sulla baia.... )

.....  su questo non posso che quotare 

cheers.

perchè sul resto no ??????????????????

[jatucka]

.....  su questo non posso che quotare 

cheers.

perchè sul resto no ??????????????????

....   

ma certo,ci mancherebbe.....

sull'orologio abbiamo già detto tutto,ed espresso le nostre opinioni in merito..... 

un good luck a M.Wood (the fifty submariners man  )

cheers.

[mikewood]

Please allow me to introduce myself: I am Mike Wood, a passionate collector of vintage Rolexes, vintage Panerais, and complicated Pateks. Naturally, this means I have some very interesting watches, and absolutely no money! I also have a very small vintage watch Shop in Liverpool, UK (www.theoldwatchshop.com), which I started eleven years ago. I just enjoy watches, both as a hobby, and a business. 

Unfortunately, I cannot understand Italian, so my following of this thread is basic. 

The watch under discussion, and which I have for sale, is one of my British Royal Navy issue Rolex Submariner watches. The watch is from my private family collection, and is owned by my father.

We bought the watch in the early 2000's, before the military Submariner market went completely crazy. 

The watch was not in good condition when we bought it, as it was very heavily used. The watch case was heavily marked, the original strap bars were loose, the movement was in poor state, and the dial was obviously repainted in the 3-6-9 "explorer" configuration.

In 2005, I sent the watch to Rolex UK at Bexley for authentication, overhaul, and restoration. I was hopeful of obtaining a replacement "T-circle" milSub service dial, new matching Mercedes hands (original sword hands ran out many years ago, and are impossible to get from Rolex!), and a 60 minute bezel. I also asked for full overhaul of the movement, refurbishing of the case, and resoldering of the bars.

The estimate I received back from Rolex UK (acknowledging the 3-6-9 Explorer dial) accepted the watch as a milSub, and provided for the movement overhaul, resoldering of the bars, and restoring the case. The military Submariner service dial was now out of stock and no longer available, and the 60 minute marker bezel was also obsolete. The watch would be fitted with a new replacement bezel, but only the 15 minute marker bezel.

The work was completed, and we received the watch back, serviced and restored, with a new bezel and nylon NATO strap.

I believe the dial is the original dial to the watch. The watch had sustained water damage, which I think spoiled the dial, and the dial was repainted by the Ministry of Defence watchmakers. The dial plate used for repainting the military Submariner dials by the MOD watchmakers was also used for the dials of the military issue A/6538 (like James Dowling's watch), and the 5512 (yes, also military issue!), 5513 and 5517 during service.

I think the original sword hands were probably replaced with Mercedes hands at the same time.

The watch still carries its original caseback, complete with the case number engraved inside, and the full set of military issue markings on the outside of the caseback.

I exchanged the new service bezel (very bright and shiny!) for the Rolex grey-green bezel which is more in keeping with the look of the watch.

I recently wrote to Mr Henry Hudson to ask for the issue history of the watch, and any possible information he could offer about the 3-6-9 dial. His letter of reply states that my watch was issued before the Rolex UK archive records began (the archive starts in 1975, my watch was issued in 1974) so he could not tell me where it was issued, only that it was a Royal Navy issue watch. His service records did show that my watch had the repainted 3-6-9 dial and the original military issue numbers on the caseback.

My watch is not perfect: as Jatucka rightly points out, the dial, hands and bezel are not perfect military specification. But my selling price of GBP£30k (approx. 40,250 Euro) is not for a perfect military specification 5513. I believe BJSonline have recently sold a full mil-spec 5513 for GBP£75k (100,600 Euro), and there are other watches with similar asking prices. The watch was previously reserved for another dealer who subsequently withdrew from buying the watch.

My watch is a genuine military issue watch, I am selling it as that, and the price reflects its present specification.

I hope my response answers some of the criticisms against my watch.

And I apologise for my long and complicated first post here!!

Mike Wood

 

[jatucka]

My watch is not perfect: as Jatucka rightly points out, the dial, hands and bezel are not perfect military specification. But my selling price of GBP£30k (approx. 40,250 Euro) is not for a perfect military specification 5513. I believe BJSonline have recently sold a full mil-spec 5513 for GBP£75k (100,600 Euro), and there are other watches with similar asking prices. The watch was previously reserved for another dealer who subsequently withdrew from buying the watch.

My watch is a genuine military issue watch, I am selling it as that, and the price reflects its present specification.

hi Mike,and welcome again 

it is a pleasure for us to have you here.

you are a "legend" among us,expecially for your amazing Sub collection (50 pieces....  LOLLLLLLL!!!  )

thanks a lot for your post,we all appreciate your explanation concerning the 5513 MilSub.

the point was not about "your" 5513 MilSub,that you presented in an absolutely correct way,with all the watch's issues,but concerning the nowadays MilSub prices....

I hope my response answers some of the criticisms against my watch.

..... so,as i wrote,any criticisms "against your" watch,but against this crazy market that accepts "almost daily" price increases.


we hope that you will post here some of your beauties...... 

cheers.

[mikewood]

I'm sure everyone is very bored of seeing my modest collection of Submariners 

I will wait a short time before wheeling out the same old pictures again 

Have a great weekend!

Mike Wood

 

[jatucka]

I'm sure everyone is very bored of seeing my modest collection of Submariners 

.......... 

cheers.